#10 Suburban Bootcamp 2 -- Hospitality For Busy People


On this second edition of a “Suburban Bootcamp,” Bryce and Ashley Hales talk together about how the gospel reorients our relationships vertically with God and horizontally with others. So how do we make the mental shift from the allure of convenience to moving outwards towards others?

Hospitality flows from God who has made room for us — seen most clearly in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

Ashley posed a few helpful diagnostic questions as we think about hospitality and making room:


Where am I making room in my time?

Where am I making room in my body for others — do I look at people? Do I see the needs around me?

Where am I making room in my affections — so that I’m looking for ways to connect with others who are far from God?

(Here is the link to the book we use for praying the hours: https://amzn.to/2CEPK9J)

But where do we start? Bryce encourages to embrace awkward and be a good neighbor and start today in one small step.


Put a date on the calendar three weeks out.

Create a reason to get together with some friends, neighbors, and people you sort of know. Try out your favorite barbecue recipe, or grab a Costco lasagna. The point is to make room in your schedule and your home to really see people.


Hooray! A Leader’s Guide is coming soon for Ashley’s book, Finding Holy in the Suburbs: Living Faithfully in the Land of Too Much. With chapters on hospitality and busyness, you won’t want to miss the book, or the chance to read and talk about with friends. Buy yourself a copy (hey! pick one up for your whole group) and stay tuned for the release of the Leader Guide!

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“Hospitality is about making room.” @aahales @bahales #Findingholypodcast #suburbanbootcamp https://apple.co/2UcXdEl

What to do when you feel like hospitality is all about Martha Stewart. It starts with a Costco lasagna and baby wipes. #hospitality #suburbanbootcamp #FindingHolyPodcast @aahales @bahales https://apple.co/2UcXdEl

“Making room” makes the gospel and hospitality feel accessible. #findingholypodcast https://apple.co/2UcXdEl

Learn how to be hospitable even when you find your kid’s underwear while you’re having people over. Join @aahales and @bahales on The #FindingHolyPodcast: https://apple.co/2UcXdEl

#9 Suburban Bootcamp 1 -- Allure of Convenience


t’s 2019! Welcome back to The Finding Holy Podcast, where we connect the dots between the things that matter and your everyday, holy life. 

Before we kick off season 2, we’re going to have a three-week interlude. During these three weeks, I sit down with my husband and pastor, Bryce Hales, and we host a little suburban boot camp. It’s short. It’s sweet and it will give you some concrete action to take. 

This first session we talk about the allure of convenience and how consumerism has infiltrated the church. 

Listen in for a short episode with a lot of laughter, one small step, and how to begin to think about our lives less as consumers and more as lovers of our places and our churches. 


Plan and cook a meal. This will slow your body down and get you into the moment. The process of planning and cooking helps us give rather than receive, or seeing ourselves as consumers. 

Our favorite soup recipe is right here: Chicken Tortilla Soup!

diced: 2 carrots, 1-2 sweet onion, 2 yellow squash, 3 large tomatoes
1 c raw rice
1 c salsa
2 1/2 chicken breasts
2 cubes bouilion
3 qts chicken stock
toppings: jack cheese, avocado, sour cream, etc.

Mix all ingredients in a large stockpot. Bring to a boil and then cook 2-3 hours on medium-low. Remove chicken and shred. Return to the soup. Place tortilla chips at the bottom of each serving bowl, spoon soup on top, and top with your favorite toppings!

Let us know how it goes!


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#8 Sam Wheatley on the spirituality of parking in New York City


My guest this week is Rev. Sam Wheatley, who we met when he was our pastor in Salt Lake city, UT. Whereas we’ve moved on to church planting in the SoCal suburbs, Sam and his wife Kate have moved back to NYC. Sam is the Executive Pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church Downtown. He and his wife, Kate, have three grown children. 

Places form our loves. They also form our habits. I’d noticed how Sam was chronicling his new life in NYC on Instagram and how moving the car had become a spiritual space for contemplation and exploration. I was fascinated and I wanted to know how the big city connected with the gospel. Listen in. 


Identify one transitional moment — find one spot in your day, whether that’s moving the car, doing the laundry, or your morning commute and consider how you can turn it Godward instead of self-ward (or simply distracting yourself with technology). Identify one transitional step — meditate on a line from scripture, or say a simple prayer in your transitional moment. These sorts of small habits fashion our attention toward God and his gospel rather than towards self. 


Thank you for joining us in Season One. May I ask you to do three things?

Subscribe to The Finding Holy Podcast on itunes or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Share an episode.

Read — continue the conversation by reading Finding Holy in the Suburbs. 


We’ll be back in January for a special edition of “Suburban Bootcamp” with Bryce and Ashley Hales. In January expect a few episodes where Bryce and Ashley Hales sit down to talk about how to start from the ground up creating a culture of generosity, vulnerability and hospitality. You’ll want to listen in if you’re in ministry, if you live in the suburbs, or even if you’re curious about how to take some practical steps in conjunction with my book Finding Holy in the Suburbs.

#7 Hannah Anderson on Having Your Feet in Two Worlds


My guest today lives in rural Appalachia -- probably not a spot most of my listeners live in. The temptation could be to skip this episode because you don’t live in a rural spot. Maybe you live in the city or suburbs or a small town. But here’s the thing -- no matter where we live, we have to figure out how to live in that place well and there’s lots of crossovers between Appalachia and the suburbs. So listen in.

My guest today on Episode 7 is Hannah Anderson. We talk about living as an outsider in a rural community, wisdom gained through discernment, her calling to her place and to her writing, and her new book, All That’s Good: Recovering the Lost Art of Discernment. Hannah lives with her pastor husband and three children in the Blue Ridge Mountains. She’s the author of Made for More, Humble Roots, and All that’s Good. In addition to writing and speaking, she also hosts The Persuasion Podcast with Erin Straza for Christ and Pop Culture

Stick around: You’ll find some gold nuggets to encourage you to stay rooted in your place -- whether you’re in the country, city, or suburbs. And at the end, you’ll have your one small step to help take all the things that matter into your ordinary, holy, life.

Hannah provided us some wonderful questions to help us in the ways of discernment:

--How would what I share (online) affect my real-life relationships?

--What is the point of correcting? Would it build the community?

--What would I say to this person if this person was in my kitchen? Proximitiy checks our tendencies.


This week remember to lighten up. Humor disarms. Try a family dance party to get out of your own head or using a self-deprecating joke. It’ll allow you to begin to empathize instead of using truth as a weapon.


Hannah’s website: https://www.sometimesalight.com/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sometimesalight

Persuasion Podcast: https://persuasionpodcast.buzz/

Link to purchase Made for More: https://amzn.to/2QMwArB

Link to purchase Humble Roots: https://amzn.to/2rtISa3

Link to purchase All that’s Good: https://amzn.to/2QINKpZ


Discernment simply means developing a taste for what’s good. --@sometimesalight on #FindingHolyPodcast https://apple.co/2rs4Z0G

How does discernment equip us to navigate a broken, complicated world with confidence and joy? -- @sometimesalight #FindingHolyPodcast https://apple.co/2rs4Z0G

Hannah Anderson talks about rural, working class Appalachia, the mistakes she’s made and how she’s practicing discernment on #FindingHolyPodcast: https://apple.co/2rs4Z0G

“The nature of truth is communal.” Listen in to @sometimesalight on #FindingHolyPodcast: https://apple.co/2rs4Z0G


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#6 Micha Boyett On Learning to See How Jesus Sees


You’ll love this interview with author and activist Micha Boyett. She and her family live in San Francisco, CA.

Micha Boyett, author of Found, talks motherhood, raising a son with Down Syndrome, and what it looks like to be a good neighbor in San Francisco. Don’t miss her helpful tips on practicing to see the way Jesus sees -- even when you’re in the school pick-up line.

Here’s a bit more about our guest: Micha Boyett is a poet, activist and author of the book, Found: A Story of Questions, Grace and Everyday Prayer. She has an MFA and writes on spiritual formation, down syndrome and motherhood. She hosts The Lucky Few podcast which focuses on changing the narrative about Down Syndrome.


It’s Micha’s practice. → Create a visual clue for the change you want to see.

Try grabbing a sticky note right now. Write a word, phrase, or portion of scripture that you want to meditate on. (For me, I’m putting a bright pink sticky note on the fridge that says “breathe.” so that when the noise of four small kids gets too much, I’ll remember that breathing is one way we rewire those neurons)!

So grab a sticky note, put on a word or phrase and put it where you’ll see it. Let me know how it goes!

It’s one small way to begin to take the ideas we want to embody -- like peace, love, and kindness -- and begin to make a practice of them.


Micha’s website: https://www.michaboyett.com/

The Lucky Few Podcast: www.theluckyfewpodcast.com/

Twitter: @michaboyett

Link to purchase Micha’s book, Found: https://amzn.to/2SsFZBY

Link to purchase No Drama Discipline: https://amzn.to/2QDlnK4

Link to purchase The Whole-Brained Child: https://amzn.to/2SuidWf


Listen in to this episode on the gift of Down Syndrome and paying attention: @michaboyett on @aahales’ #FindingHolyPodcast https://apple.co/2UeqNdd

“Spiritual discipline is sometimes about retraining our brains.” —@michaboyett on #findingholypodcast with @aahales: https://apple.co/2UeqNdd

“The smallest choices are usually the ones that effect you the most.” —@michaboyett on #findingholypodcast with @aahales: https://apple.co/2UeqNdd

“Spiritual discipline is always going to be a practice.” —@michaboyett on #findingholypodcast with @aahales: https://apple.co/2UeqNdd

“Thanksgiving is always the heart of change.” —@michaboyett on #findingholypodcast with @aahales: https://apple.co/2UeqNdd


Head over to aahales.com, enter your email, and you’ll get a free download of the first chapter of my book, Finding Holy in the Suburbs. (Or you can purchase it here).

#5 Russ Ramsey on How Story Forms Us


My guest for Episode 5 is Russ Ramsey. Russ Ramsey is the pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church Cool Springs in Nashville, Tennessee, where he lives with his wife and four children. He grew up in the fields of Indiana and studied at Taylor University and Covenant Theological Seminary (MDiv, ThM). Russ is the author of the Retelling the Story Series (IVP, 2018) and Struck: One Christian’s Reflections on Encountering Death (IVP, 2017)

In Episode 5, we talk about the best burrito restaurant in Nashville and how to creatively engage social media through pursuing beauty. We also chat about our actual places, and a few small steps to jog our imaginations as Christians -- and, of course, I ask about his laundry routine.

Russ has some great tips to share about how to approach scripture this Advent season.


As your small practical step, I’d simply encourage you to try something this Advent season a little differently. Let's jog our imaginations.

--Take a different route home
-- Frequent a local business
--Engage scripture differently
--Read a gospel through the Advent season
--Try to get your laundry into the basket (Just kidding!)

Here are Russ’s tips for engaging scripture:

Read a portion of scripture beginning to end. Read aloud. Listen to scripture audio recordings.
Engage your imagination: look for details in what you read.
Scripture gives us wisdom, not necessarily answers. It forms the way you think. How are you formed as you read?

Russ’s website: http://russ-ramsey.com/
Christ Presbyterian Church Cool Springs: https://www.christpres.org/visit-cool-springs/
Twitter: @russramsey
Baja Burrito (best burritos in Nashville): http://www.bajaburrito.com
Link to purchase The Advent of the Lamb of God: https://amzn.to/2r3JNOf
Link to purchase The Mission of the Body of Christ: https://amzn.to/2TJ8dtA
Link to purchase The Passion of the King of Glory: https://amzn.to/2TKTs9t
Link to purchase Struck: https://amzn.to/2P2984w


“When you see social media as a tool...when it’s not the main thing, then you can use it for good.” @russramsey on social media #artwednesday #findingholypodcast https://apple.co/2FW5rOX

“Story is a trojan horse for truth.” @russramsey on #findingholypodcast https://apple.co/2FW5rOX

“We hide scripture in the heart by way of imagination.” @russramsey on #findingholypodcast https://apple.co/2FW5rOX


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#4 Bronwyn Lea on Staying Put


In Episode 4, I sit down with Bronwyn Lea. Bronwyn Lea is originally from South Africa and brings a unique perspective to American listeners, not just on America, but on the way the places we live shape our lives.

Here’s why you should listen: In this interview we talk about not simply consuming our places but belonging to them and what that looks like in everything from school choices, to choosing to stay put in our local churches.

Bronwyn Lea is an author, speaker, activist, and most recently, editorial curator for Propel Sophia. She loves Jesus, puns, her home country of South Africa, her adopted country of the US, her endlessly patient husband, her three goofy kids, wisdom and justice, seeing women thrive in the Kingdom, and quality ice-cream (in no particular order).


As a response to the interview, I simply invite you to pray. As you pray consider these questions from Bronwyn:

Can you start by processing things with God in private? Tell God what I’m sad and mad about. 

Is this between just God and me? Do I need to speak out? Do I need to be quiet? 

Secondly, I'd love to hear if you took one small step towards being hospitable with your neighbors. Try something like a Trader Joe's Open House. Tell me all about it. 


As always we love when people subscribe and leave reviews on iTunes! When we get to 20, the first 20 reviews will get a free "Finding Holy" journal! (Screenshot it and send it to me at aahales AT gmail DOT COM). 

Bronwyn's website: bronlea.com/ 

Twitter: @BronLeaTweets

Propel Sophia: www.propelwomen.org/content/propel-sophia-landing-page/gk9bjk


“Choosing to stay has sometimes looked like what love has looked like.” @bronleatweets on #FindingHolyPodcast. Listen here: https://apple.co/2DyNxyL

#3 Jen Pollock Michel on finding home in a big city


Award-winning author Jen Pollock Michel and I talk about how you can belong to a place when you’re an expat, our longings for home, and her amazing laundry song. You won’t want to miss this conversation about the incarnation, owning dogs, and how we belong to our places.

We want the Finding Holy Podcast to help connect the dots between the things that matter and your everyday, holy life. Here’s one small step to take to do just that:

Take a walk. With or without a dog or kids. This allows you to meet neighbors and begin to hear their stories. So schedule a walk in your neighborhood this week. Simply start paying attention to the needs around you. As you walk more regularly, you’ll meet people, see needs to meet, and make time and space to pray and reflect.


Leave a review on iTunes and I’ll contact you to receive your free Finding Holy journal for the first 20 reviews!


Link to purchase Teach Us to Want: https://amzn.to/2EkuI4n

Link to purchase Keeping Place: https://amzn.to/2Cg6CVI

Jen’s website: https://www.jenpollockmichel.com/

Twitter: @jenpmichel


“We can actually look at salvation itself as an act of housekeeping.” -@jenpmichel on home, Toronto, laundry and paradox for the #findingholy podcast with @aahales: https://apple.co/2CeiHLg

#2: Alan Noble on Living Your Digital Life Well

In the first episode of “The Finding Holy Podcast,” I sit down to talk with Alan Noble, author of the book Disruptive Witness. We talk about everything from Twitter, Instagramming your hike, to best practices online, his book, ironing, dressing nicely and doing the laundry.

Connect the dots between the things that matter and your everyday, holy life: 3 questions for you as you consider how to interact in online spaces:

  1. What are my triggers? (Do I go to Twitter when I’m angry, sad or lonely? What are other ways I might deal with my emotions?)

  2. What is a healthy amount of time to be online? (And, when am I consciously turning off?)

  3. What practices might I take up to engage with God, myself, or others this week? (Try taking a walk like Alan).


Link to purchase Disruptive Witness: https://amzn.to/2P2ZnnL

Christ and Pop Culture

Alan’s website: oalannoble.com

Twitter: @TheAlanNoble